Who runs RawAv.com anyone here?

[jscott]

Anyone know who runs RawAv.com new japanese av site, seems kind of nice, it's different at least, but it's on deluxepass

Anyone know? I've already hit them up, hoping to check out their aff program and members area soon

link -> www.rawav.com

[KOMAJI]

That's a new pirate site, jscott...

Easy to tell, no 2257.

It seems deluxe pass is supporting theft sites more and more these days.

How do I know? I sell the same dvds and I know the Studios.

Every responsible webmaster here should know, the JAV Studios are now ACTIVELY suing people and shutting down sites. More than 10,000 suits have been initiated and I am sure hundreds of thousands of more will be soon.

Consider, please, to promote only LEGAL sites.

If you use torrents and rapidshare yourself, you are in for a very rude awakening, quite soon I am afraid.

[jscott]

Thanks man!!! I didnt know, I just look at what sells and what doesnt sell, but it's nice that people like you Komaji can help me by pointing this out.

Do you know what would be great? if you or somebody could make a list of the pirated japanese porn sites and a list of the safe clean legal japanese porn sites

Anyone?

[KOMAJI]

I am trying to be more than nice. the real sites suffer because of the pirate sites and I expect the webmasters who full on support pirate sites will be banned from affiliate programs of real sites. More and more real sites are simply going to drop affiliates.

Shit is coming down hard man. New technologies have lawyers checking your dumps in the toilet...

I know it seems about selling and what doesn't sell but its no excuse when webmasters promote theft sites that run legit people out of business. Webmasters will have to expect repercussions...

Soon, affiliate programs are going away. Word to the People! I encourage everyone to wake up and get smart... 150k a hit is not something many people can withstand, whether they live in the US or not...
ISPs are actively getting involved.

More money is to be made in the long run by supporting legal sites.

Telling a program owner or a lawyer, "I just push what sells" wont buy any sympathy but it will certainly buy DMCA's, lawsuits and bankruptcies...personal and corporate.

I wont bum you out anymore. Just you seem like a nice guy...

Its kinda weird to me that you take banners from programs on the right side bar and then fuck them by pushing illegal sites.

Its not smart business. Its a hit it and quit it mentality...

Lawyers are revsharing these days. Word to the wise.

Soon, everyone is going to be like abbywinters and will put people through a length review process... if you have noticed, more sites do that these days. And those who don't, should.

[jscott]

I know it seems about selling and what doesn't sell but its no excuse when webmasters promote theft sites that run legit people out of business. Webmasters will have to expect repercussions...
TBH I would think illegal sites are better off sending DMCA's and putting "repercussions" on tube sites instead, since tubes are what is causing most legal and pirated site sales/profits to dive the most, just my opinion, If I owned a legal japanese porn production I would go after getting my content off tubes first thing

Its kinda weird to me that you take banners from programs on the right side bar and then fuck them by pushing illegal sites.

I dont get what you mean about that? What banners am I taking from the right side and using to push illegal sites? I only push sites with banners that belong to that sites paysites

[Druid]

think RJ's talking about idolbucks also i noticed that dpbucks (which you have there) are using content from Graphis, do they have right ot it? just curious..

i'm will also try myself on my sites to reduce usage of questionable content (starting from myself, im bad to) and i'm gonna promote only completely legit sites..

[Druid]

btw: i have 2 sponsors now i would like to ask about its: javhq from avrevenue and teensfromtokyo from payserve any opinion about them?

the rest im pushing are rather 100% legit imo..

(oh and talking about asiansexeden.com atm, avidol.org need some cleaning..)

[jscott]

Druid I dont know for sure about AvRevenue but I'm pretty sure that Payserve's TeensFromTokyo is legit (not for sure)

Cashcore's sites HornyTokyo, AlmondTease, and JapanDreams seem like legit licensed content too

Anyone know of anymore legit sites for affiliates to push?

Komaji, I'd love to push your legit sites man, but dont you have any affiliate program? I'm still waiting for that, and hoping you'll eventually get something

And, as an affiliate, how are we to know for sure who are really legit or not, anyone can have a 2257 faked so how are we supposed to know for sure??? I always thought if Epoch, Verotel, CCBill approved them then it's had to pass some kind of filtering system to weed out the really shitty illegal, pirated materials (at least to some point)

[Druid]

i can just recognize content sometimes since im using it or used it too.
both idolbucks and dpbucks have photos from Graphis.
i cant recognize movies yet but RJ could i think..

[jscott]

i can just recognize content sometimes since im using it or used it too.
both idolbucks and dpbucks have photos from Graphis.
i cant recognize movies yet but RJ could i think..
Ahhh ok, so we just have to know from experience?

I mean, what if somebody from another niche, for example, an affiliate webbie from the teen niche comes over to push japanese sites, how is he to know anything about graphis, about what's licensed content or not, I mean, I've seen girlfriend sites even that have 2257 information, does that mean they are legal? (no that doesnt legally make it ok I dont think)

[Druid]

new to asian niche can only ask, no way he/she would know i'm afraid..
but thats why we have boards we can talk and share opinions.

[jscott]

new to asian niche can only ask, no way he/she would know i'm afraid..
but thats why we have boards we can talk and share opinions.
Yep exactly, that's why I'll promote any site that converts well for me unless it's proven that they are illegally using pirated content. It's so difficult to really tell though, I think if lawyers do come into play they will go after the wrong parties, like the actual site owners that are actually selling the content as their own, rather than going for affiliates who are only promoting the sites innocently thinking they are legal sites

[Druid]

im pretty sure lawyers will come after paysites at first, tubes maybe next..
sites with rapidshare (and others "share") links..
and finally maybe after ones whos using wrong content to make galleries (like me)..
but do they really stop Chinese?
if not then Chinese sites will grow like hell after cleanup of the rest of the world..

[jscott]

btw: i have 2 sponsors now i would like to ask about its: javhq from avrevenue and teensfromtokyo from payserve any opinion about them?
FYI I just spoke to a representative from Payserve, he explained to me in full about how 100% legal their content is, 1 of his comments:
"all our content is legal, we have been in the bussiness since 96 with internet"

I dont have much luck converting their sites, but I do trust their content is legal :)

[Druid]

i thought so. thanks for making sure ;)

[shunga]

As I'm always keen to point out, JAVondemand (http://www.javondemand.com) is 100% legit, and constantly improving. Now if even 10% of people now pushing non legit sites would push it instead I'd be more than happy.

[KOMAJI]

And, as an affiliate, how are we to know for sure who are really legit or not, anyone can have a 2257 faked so how are we supposed to know for sure??? I always thought if Epoch, Verotel, CCBill approved them then it's had to pass some kind of filtering system to weed out the really shitty illegal, pirated materials (at least to some point)[/QUOTE]

CLIFF NOTES

Take a moment to know who and what you promote.
Work with legal sites only as much as possible. If they are screwing someone else they are probably screwing you.
I have content you can use for blogs, tgps, etc.
google program that will have a real program added to it.
you wont have to change old links, just add new ones.
I HAVE SO MUCH CONTENT. FRICK!
Peace In.

[avrevenue]

btw: i have 2 sponsors now i would like to ask about its: javhq from avrevenue and teensfromtokyo from payserve any opinion about them?

the rest im pushing are rather 100% legit imo..

(oh and talking about asiansexeden.com atm, avidol.org need some cleaning..)

Hi druid, If you look closer to Javhq you will see that we only use 3 providers which are Jspot, Samourai AV (same as jspot) and fews title from AV Box. I'm working with jspot for 2006. Doing "real" business with Japanese studio is very hard, it took me more then one year to work with a "legal" US agencies to make a deal with 3 famous studio including tora tora tora. Price per title is very very expensive compare to US studio. and I don't speak about picture which are nearly impossible to buy.
I do have authorization to grab some pics from graphis website but just to do some site design and not more than 10 per sites (you will see with your new site and av revenue design).
If you have any question fell free to ask ;)

[Druid]

thank you but i never heard anything bad about you, just asked from curiosity. many sponsors appears to be not legit, the longer im in this niche the more i see ;)

[jscott]

FYI, on a side note....

Hahaha, RawAv, they charges $29.95/month, and you get $7 pps from selling their memberships!!!
http://www.deluxepass.com/partners.php?pg=form&pp_id=2002
Hahahahahahaa!!! What a joke!!!

[KOMAJI]

FYI, on a side note....

Hahaha, RawAv, they charges $29.95/month, and you get $7 pps from selling their memberships!!!
http://www.deluxepass.com/partners.php?pg=form&pp_id=2002
Hahahahahahaa!!! What a joke!!!

See, man.... That's exactly what I am talking about. They are ripping off JAV Studios and they are ripping off affiliates too...

BTW, I just got the new fhg's from idolbucks... ocreampies are still using the catalogue numbers in their link codes... So when you see bt-026, red-xxx, and rhj-104 or whatever, you can see the dvds on my site. Trust me, those are not legal licenses. Like unseenjapan and so many more sites, they are just buying or stealing the dvds and then ripping, and uploading.

Lawyers in LA and Tokyo are having a field day...

Like I said before, anyone interested in working with us, even for now, without full blown affiliate system, can hit me up for content and link codes that will track your sales...

We have a small group of affiliates and the ones who push us are making sales.

And yes, avrevenue absolutely do it the right way. I know the folks they deal with and the folks are happy that at least 1 webmaster besdies me had the balls and decency to do the right thing.

What you guys have to get a grip on, is that Japanese.... are not westerners. LOL.
They don't jump in bed with everybody. Most suitors get turned away, but if you are accepted, you follow a long hard path to trust... BUT, and this is a big but, when you get that trust, the payoff is tremendous...

Any webmasters who push pirate sites full on will take twice as long to get into any real circle of business with Japanese, if ever. And ignorance, of who does who or what does what will buy you jack shit at the jav market.

In Japan, it is YOUR responsibility to know who you are dealing with. if you don't know, or claim you have no idea, the Japanese will cross you off the good guy list (since you obviously dont know/understand the market) and you will be lumped in with the pirates. Because you cannot be trusted to know wtf is going on... They would really rather you not get involved.... at all. Its a hard concept to grasp for most Americans. The turning away of revenue. But Japanese would rather not be bothered with the headaches.

It's about responsibility...

Some Japanese I know always laugh at the illegal immigrant marches in LA and around the US. They say all these people can talk about is their "rights." But they never want to talk about, their "responsibilities".
I couldn't agree more.
Not trying to be a dick, just trying to help people get the mindset.
We'll all make more money that way.

[hideyuki]

i can just recognize content sometimes since im using it or used it too.
both idolbucks and dpbucks have photos from Graphis.
i cant recognize movies

and from pornograph, s-cute , 247, street angels ...long list.
Me too, I cannot recognize movies, but if this is the trend..

[KOMAJI]

and from pornograph, s-cute , 247, street angels ...long list.
Me too, I cannot recognize movies, but if this is the trend..

what do u mean hideyuki,... about trends? i don't quite understand...

[hideyuki]

Trend = Taking stuff from other sites (in this case: pictures) illegally
Also, I notice the same "laziness" you are talking about ("bt-026, red-xxx"..) for the pictures, that's why it looks to me like a "trend".

Komaji, I totally agree with what you are saying about studios and affiliates: ban illegal stuff from any spot on the net, and everyone (studios and affiliates) will gain.